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    Keeping your pigeons safe from hawks

    Post  Brad on Thu Aug 27, 2009 12:37 pm

    All racing pigeon hobbyists have to deal with losses and attacks on their birds from time to time and depending on where you live, you might have a lot of problems with birds of prey or not many at all. However, it's a subject that that often comes up; "how do I keep hawks away"?

    Well, the very basic and unfortunately disappointing answer is, you can't. There is no sure fire way to keep hawks away from your free flying pigeons no matter what you hear or are told. Hawks and falcons are superb hunters that have evolved over millions of years and are very savvy, intelligent and stealthy creatures. In most places in the world, it's illegal to trap, hunt or shoot these birds because they are protected species in their respective countries. Just because you may not like them or cringe at the thought of losing one of your prized pigeons, think about how you'd feel if someone was hunting, trapping or killing your pigeons while on a a race back to the loft! Just as you don't appreciate Mr. Hawk, there are plenty of people out there that don't like Mr. Pigeon.

    Some ideas and things to try that by no means guarantee anything are:

    1) Fly your birds at different times during the day. You don't want to create such a predictable routine that the hawks can figure out when you're going to release your birds for exercise. If they are watching your loft, chances are they will get used to a routine you get into with your birds. Even if it's only a hour's difference each day, rotate their flying times, make it unpredictable.

    2) Make sure you train and fly your birds enough! If you don't keep your birds fit and in top shape by exercising them frequently, then hawks will have an easier time catching a sluggish, out-of-shape or overfed bird. Proper feeding regiments, good quality food, vitamins and tonics may also help your birds reach optimum health and vigor.

    3) Train them to trap quickly. You want your birds either flying or in the loft... not hanging around on the lawn, on the roof or lazing about. A bird that is inside the loft or in the skies is safest!

    4) This is a controversial and not very well proven idea, but attracting crows or other corvids to your home and area through feeding may help your birds. Crows and their kin HATE hawks with a passion. They will harass and drive these birds away at first sight. So, if you provide treats and food that these birds like, the theory is they will stick around and maybe build nests nearby so that they can act as sentinels for your pigeons.

    Please remember though, there are no guarantees with any of these ideas or methods, nothing will truly prevent a bird of prey from eventually attacking or killing one of your pigeons. Eventually every pigeon racer will be face losses from hawk attacks but try to be smart and savvy about your approach to keeping your pigeons.

    If anyone would like to add to this topic with ideas and other suggestions, please feel free. Smile


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    Re: Keeping your pigeons safe from hawks

    Post  Ed on Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:41 pm

    Great info Brad!
    Thanx for sharing it with us.
    I fly my birds a different times in the afternoon.
    I cant do it in the morning because of time constraints.


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    Re: Keeping your pigeons safe from hawks

    Post  Volkan on Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:04 am

    Hi,
    I know this is a late answer but I am new here so I guess its ok.
    A friend of mine tried a different technique and says it works. He found a plastic white owl and placed it on the roof of his coop. Its a around 35-40 cms tall.
    He sais the logic to this is white owls are the biggest enemies of hawks in nature.

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    Post  c.hert on Mon Jul 19, 2010 11:07 am

    You would not think that the sedent looking owl sitting there could take a hawk but like you say they are the main enemy of hawks and can kill them outright...I would think that after awhile the hawks would get used to that big owl up there and then I guess you would have to put something else up there. I would put some wires or something(use your imagination here) and have them blowing in the wind with decoy cats or something hanging from them or something just to switch it around a bit. Maybe a mop or something swinging back and forth and your pigeons could get used to it--I think,,,Thanks for the post and I just bet that owl looks cute up there on your loft....c.hert

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    Post  Desert Fire on Mon Jul 19, 2010 5:18 pm

    Some suggest hanging CDs to "blow in the wind"...

    Never too late to comment, Volkan! Many thanks for your input!!

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    Post  SouthTown Racers on Sat Aug 06, 2011 3:23 am

    c.hert wrote:You would not think that the sedent looking owl sitting there could take a hawk but like you say they are the main enemy of hawks and can kill them outright...I would think that after awhile the hawks would get used to that big owl up there and then I guess you would have to put something else up there. I would put some wires or something(use your imagination here) and have them blowing in the wind with decoy cats or something hanging from them or something just to switch it around a bit. Maybe a mop or something swinging back and forth and your pigeons could get used to it--I think,,,Thanks for the post and I just bet that owl looks cute up there on your loft....c.hert




    I thought you would have a little more creativity! How about noise?

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    Post  Brad on Sat Aug 06, 2011 3:27 am

    SouthTown Racers wrote:


    I thought you would have a little more creativity! How about noise?


    You are feisty tonight STR! I love it! lmao ROTFL


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    Post  SouthTown Racers on Sat Aug 06, 2011 3:36 am

    well, it drives me crazy......there is a simple solution to the hawk problem! I will tell you what it is (non-lethal) and its not silly like dvds or goose decoys.....



    It drives me crazy when people talk down on the birds of prey

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    Re: Keeping your pigeons safe from hawks

    Post  Brad on Sat Aug 06, 2011 3:38 am

    Please...do continue and explain then, STR! Smile


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    Re: Keeping your pigeons safe from hawks

    Post  SouthTown Racers on Sat Aug 06, 2011 3:44 am

    I will never harm a bird of prey! There is a safe way to protect our birds. I promise to whoever reads this that no birds would evr be harmed.

    You will have to talk to me on a one on one

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    Post  SouthTown Racers on Sat Aug 06, 2011 3:49 am

    its not bad....i promise

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    Post  c.hert on Sat Aug 06, 2011 8:32 am

    How about just a loud radio with thing moving about? I love you sunny?? Now you got me curious South Town Racers What is it? I will send you some candy.....Maybe we should let the owl eat some fast food that would solve it problems and get it fat too for the winter too and make it lazy as well.... What the solution????

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    Re: Keeping your pigeons safe from hawks

    Post  Brad on Sat Aug 06, 2011 9:18 am

    SouthTown Racers wrote:I will never harm a bird of prey! There is a safe way to protect our birds. I promise to whoever reads this that no birds would evr be harmed.

    You will have to talk to me on a one on one


    SouthTown Racers wrote:its not bad....i promise


    Still waiting to hear about your "safe" and harmless way to protect pigeons from hawks! Smile Don't leave us hanging or guessing!


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    Re: Keeping your pigeons safe from hawks

    Post  gnuretiree on Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:57 am

    SouthTown Racers wrote:its not bad....i promise


    I'd sure like to hear the answer. I am getting close to skipping this year's young bird races due to hawks.

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    Post  TALON on Tue Nov 01, 2011 9:08 am

    Thanks Brad for hawk info. I've recently noticed a hawk in my area.

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    Post  gerome_amador on Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:30 am

    surely wanted to know how to keep my birds same from those bird of preys!!!

    wish to know the secret from STR!!!!

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    Post  c.hert on Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:43 am

    We all would like to know the secret and still waiting for the answer from ST racers...I love you sunny

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    Post  gnuretiree on Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:58 am

    I skipped the last few races and had the birds locked up for long periods of time. Recently I have been flying them on the nice days we've been having, but had to stop again as the hawks have rediscovered them. I have two very badly wounded birds, one killed and one missing in over the last week.



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    Re: Keeping your pigeons safe from hawks

    Post  Mary Of Exeter on Sun Nov 27, 2011 1:16 pm

    You made an excellent point about exercising. Some people keep their young birds locked up for months and do not let them out until they are quite old. This is never a good idea as it makes fly aways MUCH more likely. The birds are "strong on the wing" and ready to get out and fly. However, the don't have experience with flying out of the loft so they may go too far and wear themselves out or just get lost. And if a hawk spooks them, you can say goodbye to half your team. Most people who keep their youngins locked up will soap them, tape the wings, or clip the flights, to let them sit outside and fly short distances but never get up above loft level. This is also very dangerous as hawks can be VERY brave and will hit the birds the minute you turn your back or look away. Forget walking in or behind the loft. You cannot get out of plain sight. I've had a hawk drop to the ground with a bird maybe 4 feet right in front of me. I've had them fly right past me to chase the birds as well. One time a hawk (juvenile) had one of my birds by the wing and was trying to get a better hold to pin it. They looked like they were dancing. I got close enough to where I could almost kick the hawk before he let go and flew off.

    So, it is my personal opinion that it is always best to get the young birds out as early as possible. You want them to get the experience and get comfortable with your property, BEFORE they get really flighty. You may lose a few to hawks but in return, the surviving birds will be hawk smart and more alert to them, which will help keep them alive in the end. It'll also get a head start on building up those muscles and getting in flying shape so that they can get away. Yes, you'll still have to be out there the whole time they are out. But you'd have to do the same thing if they were soaked with soap. So I find it no different. I also believe that the younger the birds start loft flying and then road training, the better. Keeping them locked up for months seems to "dumb" them down some and you will lose more during training. I learned something in psychology this semester that I feel applies to pigeons just as much as it does to humans. "If you don't use it, you'll lose it" really is true. Especially in babies and toddlers. Their brains are developing and allowing them to learn and take in everything they feel, see, etc. It's extremely important that we provide them with plenty of things to see and play with. Always keep their mind active or the connections in their brain will not develop correctly and will be lost. The body naturally "prunes" out the connections we don't use regularly. So keep them excersized mentally so that their mind will stay strong and improve. Here's some articles:

    http://www.fcs.uga.edu/ext/bbb/brainConnections.php

    http://ezinearticles.com/?Brain-Development-of-Babies&id=2505824

    http://www.livestrong.com/article/8953-3-ways-to-raise-a-smart-baby/

    Our young birds are babies. Their brains must develop just like any brain needs to. Keeping this in mind, pigeons grow/age 9 times faster than us. So that leaves a considerably shorter amount of time to get them strong mentally. And I just feel like keeping them locked in a loft is not doing the job.

    Like I said, THIS IS MY OPINION. I am by no means an expert.

    Most of it is speaking from experience when we built the new YB loft (after breeding season had already started. The weather really delayed us with snow and whatnot) and had to settle them all to it for a month or so. A hawk hit the day they came out and I lost half my birds.

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    Re: Keeping your pigeons safe from hawks

    Post  TALON on Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:19 pm

    ^^^^^ Thanks for all the info. Very helpful!!

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