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    animakt
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    Strange hen fantail pigeon

    Post  animakt on Tue Mar 30, 2010 5:36 am

    Hello guys! Its the first time ever am posting here and I just felt like I have to tell you this. I have reared pigeons since I was 10 and now am 29. I have a pair of white fantail pigeons as pet, the hen's been with me for over a year while the male joined her about 6 months ago. Thing is they finally got to mate and yesterday the one egg the female laid got hatched and a beautiful cute baby is in the nest now. BUT the hen's behaviour is really strange. For one, when she was on her own she took me as her mate and would constantly coo and turn in circles and lay eggs, all infertile ofcourse! Then when i put her in with the male fantail, she took to him almost immediately but she behaved like a male, she would go in the nest bowl, coo n bring nesting materials and would even want to go on top of the male!! Poor boy!
    But the male never let her and so she kept laying infertile eggs for a while. Then one fine day the male managed to go on top of her after much persuasion and they did this a couple of times before she finally laid her fertile egg. Now here's the strange part, she would never EVER let the male approach the nest or sit on the egg. Day and night she would keep sitting on it, taking very brief breaks to eat and drink and come back quickly. Now that the baby is here its even worse, she fights and pecks the male not allowing him to even come near the nest or feed the baby. She does everything, feed, keep it warm and sit on the baby 24hrs!! Am a bit anxious with this behaviour. Anyone came across this kind of behaviour?? The pair is alone with their baby in the loft by the way and they are not disturbed or anything.

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    Re: Strange hen fantail pigeon

    Post  Brad on Tue Mar 30, 2010 7:54 am

    Hello animakt Smile

    I'm not quite sure what is going on with your female hen fantail pigeon, but having 3 house pet pigeons myself, I can attest to their strange behaviour at times. Wink I have a lone female pigeon that does exactly what yours does, sit on her infertile eggs all by herself, around the clock.

    I'm wondering if this is all your pigeon knows and since she's been doing this for so long already. Maybe she thinks this is what she is supposed to do. I theorize that pigeons can lose instinct or knowledge of what to do normally when they are in situations that deprive them of natural behaviour. It's not natural for a hen pigeon to sit on her eggs day and night, but they do this when they don't have a mate. The instinct is strong for a hen to sit on her eggs and keep them warm, but with the absence of a male, she has no choice. Maybe they get confused after awhile, I really don't know for sure.

    She may just need more time to adjust to having a real male pigeon mate and then will settle down into a normal routine with eggs and chicks. Do you plan on breeding them more in the future? Even if she won't allow the male to feed or look after the baby, she should do fine on her own and since there is just one chick.

    Keep us posted and welcome to the group by the way!


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    Re: Strange hen fantail pigeon

    Post  Cyreen on Tue Mar 30, 2010 8:59 am

    My rescued female, Ollie, is rather odd in her nesting behaviour as well. I think maybe they are no different than we are and that breeding and rearing are things they learn by example within a colony, being mothered by their mother and older females. From watching Ollie, these are incredibly smart, adaptable animals, who seem to learn what works for them, rather than rely on a compulsive instinct.

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    Re: Strange hen fantail pigeon

    Post  TeenyTinyTuna on Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:38 am

    That is very interesting behaviour. I do believe that sometimes pigeons can assume non traditional roles, like Brad said depending on situation.
    My couple of pigeons raised brad's babies, and even though they weren't very tame and all the female was totally inexperienced and the male had to fill in by sitting at night if she decided to "walk away" from the nest. It was funny to watch but very serious because I didn't want anything bad to come to the babies. She forgot to feed the babies some time and the male was always upset at her trying to do more to make sure they didn't die.

    Sometimes mistakes happen in the female's first hatchlings, but they get better with time. The good thing is that we're there to help them so nothing bad comes to the little ones as it may in the 'wild'.

    Hope it works out, how does she react to you btw when you're close to the nest, is she aggressive? Wondering if perhaps she still wants to think you're her mate.

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    Re: Strange hen fantail pigeon

    Post  animakt on Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:23 pm

    Hello again, thank you all for replying and welcoming me.Here is more about my pigeons. I call the female Fluffy (this one just came to me) and the male Groggy (he used to sleep a lot ) Their baby is doing just fine with Fluffy doing all the feeding and looking after it, I must say she's doing a fantastic job all alone, if she were human she'd probably say "who needs a man anyway ??
    @ Brad- Yes am planning on breeding them for a couple of times if all goes well with their present baby. And while Fluffy was alone she wasn't really interested in sitting on her infertile eggs, so maybe her instinct is really messed up!!??! But i keep telling myself that if she has been able to mate (thing which she refused to do), then maybe I can hope that she'll slowly move towards a more normal behavior.
    @ Cyreen- I think you're quite right in saying that the birds adapt to situations rather than act on instinct. I bought Fluffy from a pet store and she was surrounded by females only...so maybe that explains the behavior.
    @TeenyTinyTuna- I tried coming close to the nest today, on seeing me Fluffy raised her wings up in the air, puffed up her feathers and when I put my hand close, she tried to bite me, over and over again. Maybe she needs some time to figure out things..

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    Re: Strange hen fantail pigeon

    Post  Desert Fire on Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:21 pm

    Welcome Animakt!!

    Pigeons CAN raise one squab alone. The one I witnessed was a male, tho. He was a feral, who lost his mate and raised one baby alone. When he found another mate and brought her to the nest to start another family, the squab was still there and absolutely REFUSED to leave, no matter how much they pushed and tried! They finally went to another nearby window, built a nest and raised 2 babies! The original squab finally flew out used to join "her(?)" dad during the day when he was egg sitting! He was a GREAT dad!

    Then, there is my Mr. Squeaks, who considers ME his mate. He has two modes: mate and daddy. When sitting on real eggs I give him from a pair I have, he becomes HIGHLY protective of his nest! So much for "Mr. Love Dove!"

    The pair: Gimie and WoeBeGone, only lay infertile eggs due to Gimie's badly healed broken leg. Gimie is a Checker feral and Woe is a West of England Tumbler...talk about the "odd couple" but it was love at first sight! Woe is usually pretty docile, BUT when she lays her eggs, she becomes a holy terror - beak strking and Wing Fuing with the best of 'em!

    So, yes...hens can act like cocks and cocks can act like hens! A never ending adventure with these highly intelligent feathered creatures we call Pigeons!!

    We will certainly look forward to further tales of high adventure with Fluffy and her family!

    Love, Hugs and Scritches from

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    Re: Strange hen fantail pigeon

    Post  Lin H on Tue Mar 30, 2010 4:44 pm

    Welcome to the forum, Animakt!

    Glad to hear that things are going well, even if not exactly as they are supposed be.

    Good luck to the parents and baby, and here's hoping poor dad will get a turn one of these days.

    Linda

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    Re: Strange hen fantail pigeon

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    Re: Strange hen fantail pigeon

    Post  Brad on Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:00 am

    animakt wrote:
    @ Brad- Yes am planning on breeding them for a couple of times if all goes well with their present baby. And while Fluffy was alone she wasn't really interested in sitting on her infertile eggs, so maybe her instinct is really messed up!!??! But i keep telling myself that if she has been able to mate (thing which she refused to do), then maybe I can hope that she'll slowly move towards a more normal behavior.


    I think she will revert to a more normal behaviour in time, maybe not..who knows with these birds? Wink Razz Have any pics to share of Fluffy, Groggy and new baby? Smile

    My one pair has fairly recently started some unusual behaviour that I can't figure out. The male bird (Eggbert) keeps driving his mate (Lucy) away from her eggs. This only started recently, within the last couple of months. However, every so often he just won't leave her alone or let her sit on her dummy eggs. I thought at first he was trying to prevent her from sitting on the first egg and wanting her to wait until the second was laid and switched. However, my theory was shot out of the water recently when she laid her second egg and he still won't let her sit on them. And HE'S not sitting on them either! lol Razz This really upsets Lucy though because her instincts are telling her to sit on the eggs and Eggbert just won't let her. This morning I saw them fight for the first time, Lucy actually stood up to him and tried to fight him, but he was too strong in the end and chased her away. (sigh)


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    Re: Strange hen fantail pigeon

    Post  Desert Fire on Wed Mar 31, 2010 2:15 am

    Yikes, Brad! affraid

    Sounds like you may have to separate them so Lucy can sit on her eggs! Rolling Eyes

    Hope they are OK...let us know...

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    Re: Strange hen fantail pigeon

    Post  Cyreen on Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:51 pm

    Meanwhile, I came home to a much more cheerful Ollie, who had (once again) laid her second egg from the highest perch (splat!) and then stomped the first egg on the bottom of the cage for my cleaning pleasure - my little Mommy Dearest!

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    Re: Strange hen fantail pigeon

    Post  Desert Fire on Thu Apr 01, 2010 2:40 am

    Cyreen wrote:Meanwhile, I came home to a much more cheerful Ollie, who had (once again) laid her second egg from the highest perch (splat!) and then stomped the first egg on the bottom of the cage for my cleaning pleasure - my little Mommy Dearest!


    ROTFL hilarious Oh my, Cyreen!! Ya just gotta love the little monst....er, darlin's!! ROTFL

    I have to take Woe's eggs from her...not because she "kills" them, but because Gimie's bad leg will...by accident of course! Besides, Squeaks really loves to sit on the REAL thing!

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    Re: Strange hen fantail pigeon

    Post  Cyreen on Fri Apr 02, 2010 3:26 am

    Oh yeah, Ollie is "special"! She's definitely mine (which is worrying in itself).

    I would really like to meet other pet pigeons, just to expand my point of reference. Perhaps they're all nuts and Ollie's not quite as... ... whatever she is. From the sound of it, other house raised pigeons tend to develop their own unique quirks.

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    Re: Strange hen fantail pigeon

    Post  Desert Fire on Fri Apr 02, 2010 3:12 pm

    Cyreen wrote:Oh yeah, Ollie is "special"! She's definitely mine (which is worrying in itself).

    I would really like to meet other pet pigeons, just to expand my point of reference. Perhaps they're all nuts and Ollie's not quite as... ... whatever she is. From the sound of it, other house raised pigeons tend to develop their own unique quirks.





    VERY true! ROTFL

    Squeaks was an only pij for a couple of years! I found him as a squeaker and he was raised with 4 cats and me. He considered/considers me his mate! He does not tolerate other pigeons for the most part. He's HEAD HONCHO and don't you forget it! That's what he makes very plain to other "intruders" - as he calls 'em!

    Once they imprint on you...don't how successful they would be with other pijies. I assume much depends on the age, gender, and living conditions.

    Some will be addicted to their "human" UNtil they meet a lovely pigeon HEN...so long human! Just ask Lindi (Jax and Paddy)...

    That's the beauty of hearing all the different stories of our pigeon site "family" members...you never know what you will hear and see!

    Love and Hugs
    Shi sunny and Mr. Squeaks...who has many hen friends among the members! He sends greetings to Ollie and thinks she is very lovely! Hello Flying Weeeeee

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