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    The Wonders of Apple Cider Vinegar

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    Ed
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    The Wonders of Apple Cider Vinegar

    Post  Ed on Sun Sep 12, 2010 9:00 pm

    Real apple cider vinegar is a natural substance, but only if from a bio farm. It strengthens the immune system, as it is an excellent source of trace and micro elements. However, this is only true of vinegar derived from apples grown in a natural (e.g. grassy) environment free of fertilisers and insecticides. An apple that is artificially cultivated does not undergo real ripening, and so does not contain the biologically complete stock of micro elements of which it is genetically capable.

    Apple cider vinegar is an ideal source of organic acid. Organic acids help digestion and the breaking down of food intake, and thus prevent the development of illnesses caused by undigested food.

    It is widely known that acidity prevents the spread of coli bacteria and salmonellas. These pathogens like a gently alkaline environment in which they can really start to proliferate. Apple cider vinegar mixed in water prevents salmonella from spreading in the waterer. Its acidic effect continues to restrict pathogens, even in the pigeon’s intestines.

    What is less well-known is that apple cider vinegar can be life-saving. Many have found that in hot weather pigeons’ rate of breathing can increase, dramatically if it is very hot, and pigeons breathe rapidly with their beaks open. On such occasions the increased exchange of air causes more carbon dioxide to leave the blood than normal. This leads to acid deficiency, and so the blood becomes increasingly alkaline (breathing alkalosis). Initially this process generates bad disposition, dizziness, then nausea, and, if it becomes more extreme, death. In hot weather we pine for soft drinks with lemon and carbon dioxide in order to compensate for the acid deficiency. If at such times we give our pigeons water with apple cider vinegar, we can save their lives.

    In prolonged heat we can achieve even more with a little apple cider vinegar than this. For in addition to the changing pH of the blood, potentially fatal processes are taking place in the digestive system.

    Heat is a powerful stressor, but is bad for digestion in and of itself, as the vessels in the skin, lungs, etc. expand, while the vessels supplying the digestive system contract. Thus in hot weather consumption of food declines, meaning that good intestinal bacteria do not have adequate nutrition, and so the acid they produce also decreases. Meanwhile, as we have seen, the alkalinity of the blood grows, which is life-threatening. Simply put, the body attempts to compensate for this by taking acid away from the digestive system, further increasing its alkalinity. As the heat stress has already reduced the resistance of the digestive system, all these factors mean that conditions are ideal for the fast proliferation of salmonellas lurking in the intestines.

    Thus in hot weather there is every chance that a paratyphoid epidemic will flare up. In most cases, all this can be prevented by a simple acidification of drinking water with apple cider vinegar.

    Like anything else, apple cider vinegar can be overdosed. In too great a quantity it can even damage good intestinal bacteria. The high quantity of acid absorbs calcium (lime) and removes it from the system, which results in motor and reproductive problems. So overdoses of apple vinegar should be avoided. The dose for 5% apple cider vinegar is 4-8ml per litre of drinking water, 1-3 times a week. If we administer it more regularly, e.g. in prolonged hot weather, we should choose a lower level of concentration.

    In addition, we can use apple cider vinegar for the disinfection of objects, e.g. waterers, or more precisely for the subsequent acidification of a sterilized set of trays. This prevents the spread of salmonellas in the outside world. We should use it for this purpose to wash the floor of the loft, observing caution, especially in enclosed spaces, because acidic gases in the air can reach dangerous concentrations.

    The Wonders of Apple Cider Vinegar by Dr. Zsolt Talabér (edited by Martin Degrave)


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    Re: The Wonders of Apple Cider Vinegar

    Post  c.hert on Sun Sep 12, 2010 9:47 pm

    That is just a wonderful piece of information Ed. If I could just add one small tidbit that would be never use metal containers when you give it to your pigeons--always use crocks or plastic containers. I think your posting should be a sticky what do you think everyone and would you be willing to put it on as a sticky--wonderful information--thank you...c.hert

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    Re: The Wonders of Apple Cider Vinegar

    Post  Desert Fire on Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:00 pm

    I think this information is probably already "Pinned" (sticky) in the Resource area, c.hert.

    I always use organic ACV with the "mother."

    Because the water containers for my inside birds are small, I usually just put a drop or two in their containers.

    I think ceramic or glass is always better to use. I am not a fan of plastic...

    Great article! Thanks, Ed!

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    Re: The Wonders of Apple Cider Vinegar

    Post  c.hert on Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:58 pm

    Yea, I know what you mean Desert Fire but with a loft set up and you want to put some vinegar in you don't know have much variety with glass or Crock type of water wares. I do not like plastic either and I have metal containers but when I put vitamins in or vinegar I have to use the plastic ones...Anybody out there know of a glass or crock type of waters that holds about 5 gallons or more? c.hert

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    Re: The Wonders of Apple Cider Vinegar

    Post  Desert Fire on Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:03 pm

    I get 3 gallon Arrowhead water containers delivered to me. The water goes in a 3(?)/4(?) gallon ceramic "crock." Know any place that delivers water to customers? Might be a place to start....or what about a Feed and Grain place?

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    Re: The Wonders of Apple Cider Vinegar

    Post  c.hert on Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:13 pm

    Not a bad idea and I would have to "ridge it up someway" and can't figure that out at the moment and the weigh and convenience would have to be a factor too as well as water in the winter cold for I have a heater under the containers---lots of things to think about here--but a good suggestion--not a bad idea....thanks....c.hert

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    Re: The Wonders of Apple Cider Vinegar

    Post  Desert Fire on Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:21 pm

    Actually, the crock sits in it's wooden stand and has a spigot. The 3 gallon water bottles are dumped upside down on top. Of course, all you would need is the crock part and could use a small plate to place on top.

    Because the crock is small, it wouldn't be too unmanageable...Of course, maybe there are larger crocks available. The hole on the top of mine is large enough to reach inside to clean, if needed.

    Good luck! Hope you find something!!

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    Re: The Wonders of Apple Cider Vinegar

    Post  Brad on Mon Sep 20, 2010 12:32 am

    c.hert wrote: If I could just add one small tidbit that would be never use metal containers when you give it to your pigeons--always use crocks or plastic containers. I think your posting should be a sticky what do you think everyone and would you be willing to put it on as a sticky--wonderful information--thank you...c.hert


    Desert Fire wrote:I think this information is probably already "Pinned" (sticky) in the Resource area, c.hert.


    Great article! Thanks, Ed!

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    I think this is a great article as well and should be pinned, even if we already have the info somewhere else! I agree with c.hert about NOT using metal containers for drinkers. I also agree somewhat with the plastic waterers. It depends on the plastic used I think. I use water dishes that are made out of extremely hard and not easily permeated plastic. Softer plastic containers aren't as good and things can leach into them and OUT of them much easier.

    My vet once told me that she believed that ACV is one of the most beneficial additives that one can offer pigeons. She had apparently been to a vet conference and this was the general conclusion....she didn't seem to feel that many other additives had much effect on the the birds' health, including probiotics, garlic, water soluble vitamins. Now with saying this, my vet is NOT very good unfortunately, but I actually believed her when she told me this information. Not that I'm going to stop providing probiotics, garlic, vitamins etc. anyway...but she just may have been privy to information that vets have more detailed information on?


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    Re: The Wonders of Apple Cider Vinegar

    Post  beatlemike on Mon Sep 20, 2010 11:55 pm

    I have read so much about the health benefits of acv for pigeons that it has made me wonder if we added a small amount to our own diets if it would improve our own immune systems.

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    Re: The Wonders of Apple Cider Vinegar

    Post  Ed on Tue Sep 21, 2010 5:49 pm

    It will!
    I know people who use the same stuff I give my birds.
    When I tell them I give it to my pigeons they are usually super surprised.


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