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    Electronic Clocking Systems

    Post  Lovebirds on Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:04 pm

    Brad stated that he didn't realize that these things existed, so I thought I'd try to explain a little about them.
    Here's a picture of the antenna pad that we use. Different brands of clocks use different looking pads, but they all do the same thing. You can see in the lower left corner, the wire coming out that goes to the clocks. The instant the bird steps on that pad, he's clocked. These clocks can clock birds within 1/100th of a second.


    Here is a close up shot of a chip ring. Every race bird wears one of these during the race season. You'll notice that mine has a label with my information (name, phone number, etc...)...so if someone finds one of my birds, they don't have to go through the whole "looking up the band info" process. They simply email or pick up the phone and give me a call.

    Now you've all got my phone number............. affraid lol!


    So basically, here's the process for the type of clocks that we use. Before the race season begins every fancier must give the club race secretary a list of his race birds with complete band information. The RS takes that information and puts it into a program called "Pidex". Once all of the birds are in this program, we assign a chip ring to each bird. Each fanciers clock is hooked up to the computer and the birds information is downloaded into that fanciers clock. He is now ready to put the rings on the birds and race them. On shipping night, the fancier bring his birds that he wants to race that week end. The club system is set up and each birds chip ring is scanned before they go in the basket. Once a fanciers birds are all scanned, he gets a printed list of every bird that he's sending to the race. He then takes his clock back to the loft, connects it to his antenna pad and waits for the birds. As each bird comes home, it walks across the pad and is instantly clocked. When the race is over, all of the fanciers bring their clocks back to the club house and the RS downloads all of the information from that race into a program called Winspeed. After all of the clocks have been downloaded to Winspeed, you hit a couple of buttons, and presto, you've got your race results with all birds listed in the order that they flew home to their respective lofts based on speed and distance.
    That's it in a nutshell. Matt had said at one point that these clocks made it easier on the RS. I beg to differ. Faints .......I AM the race secretary and there's a LOT of behind the scenes work that goes on before the average fancier ever clocks that first bird. The clocks DO make it easier on the fancier and as far as calculating the races, it's hand down easier.........but the work and time put into getting everything set up for those fanciers CAN be a real headache.
    I remember a few years ago, we (Everett and I) had just put everyones birds into the Pidex program. This was young birds, so we had probably just typed info on about 500 bands. The next time we opened Pidex.....ALL of that info was gone. We had to redo it. WHAT a pain that was. Winspeed isn't the greatest program that's ever been invented either. There are lots of bugs in it.
    Hope this helps you understand a little more about what we do.

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    Post  Ed on Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:46 pm

    thanx for posting this info Renee Smile
    Where do you get your chiop bands with the labels from?
    how much are they?
    I want to do the same thing you did with the contact information on it
    will those chips you have work with a benzing clock?


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    Post  Lovebirds on Thu Feb 12, 2009 2:40 pm

    The Benzing clock is the one our club uses. We get our bands from Siegles. We bought bands from either Foy's or Globals a couple of years ago (can't remember which) but we had major problems with them. They were a nickle cheaper and when you buy 600 of them at a time, those nickles add up. However, we wound up sending them back and buying the ones we should have bought to begin with. Wink
    The labels are purchased separately from a guy in Canada. We talked our club members into ordering them one year, but when they started getting phone calls from 500 miles away, they didn't want to be bothered with trying to get their birds home, so they didn't buy any more. Sad

    PS: I just tried to bring up the web site for those labels and it's no good any more. I'll have to find out from Everett if he still makes them. You can actually get labels from Seigles too, but the ones we got from them didn't stick very good.

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    Post  Ed on Thu Feb 12, 2009 2:42 pm

    cool Renee.
    If you could look into those labels for me that would be great!!
    I really want them for my birds!


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    Post  Lovebirds on Thu Feb 12, 2009 2:45 pm

    I'm going to send the guy and email and see if he still does the lables. I'll let you know.

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    Post  Ed on Thu Feb 12, 2009 2:45 pm

    thank you Renee!
    your the bestestest Wink


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    Post  Matt on Thu Feb 12, 2009 6:35 pm

    Very nice article Renee. Enjoyed reading it! But I did say it was easier for the RS and I know it is. But, Its still NO WHERE near the work we did with the old clocks.

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    Post  Lovebirds on Thu Feb 12, 2009 7:07 pm

    Matt wrote:Very nice article Renee. Enjoyed reading it! But I did say it was easier for the RS and I know it is. But, Its still NO WHERE near the work we did with the old clocks.


    Thanks Matt. I guess it's all in the way you look at it. With the old clocks, all of the hard work was AFTER the race and figuring the speeds. With the e-clocks, all the hard work is BEFORE the races start. Figuring speeds by hand left a pretty good chance of a mistake being made. With the e-clocks, two numbers of a band inverted and not caught before shipping night, can cause a bird to have to go back home instead of to the race. But since everything is downloaded from the clock, there's very little chance, if any at all, of any mistake being made with the race results. Everything has it's down side I guess. LOL

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    Post  Brad on Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:56 am

    Hi Renee,

    Thanks for this post and I found it very interesting. Smile I am not surprised there are systems like this, I just never thought an application was used to this extent with pigeon racing. I've just never taken the time to research how it was done and what equipment is used.

    So, there is only a clock and an antenna pad for equipment on your end? Is there an actual antenna attached to the landing pads? I'm also interested in the way this system functions. What type of scanner/signal is emitted from the pads that scans the chip ring?

    I can understand what you're saying about all the inputting of data beforehand that makes things arduous, but after the race is over, then all the information is tabulated by computer and the winner is revealed....very cool. Smile

    Yes, how much do those chip ring costs? Very neat to have your name, email and phone number on them as well. You've got a great loft, wonderful pigeons, the latest technology to race them with. You're completely set up there, I love it! I'd definitely use the ETS clocks if I was into pigeon racing. cheers


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    Post  Lovebirds on Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:17 pm

    StoN3d wrote:cool Renee.
    If you could look into those labels for me that would be great!!
    I really want them for my birds!


    I never got a reply from this guy. He must have quit making the lables.......I don't know how else to get in touch with him. Head scratcher

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    Post  Lovebirds on Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:27 pm

    Brad wrote:Hi Renee,



    So, there is only a clock and an antenna pad for equipment on your end? Is there an actual antenna attached to the landing pads? I'm also interested in the way this system functions. What type of scanner/signal is emitted from the pads that scans the chip ring?

    Yes, how much do those chip ring costs? Very neat to have your name, email and phone number on them as well. You've got a great loft, wonderful pigeons, the latest technology to race them with. You're completely set up there, I love it! I'd definitely use the ETS clocks if I was into pigeon racing. cheers


    Forgot to answer your questions..........sorry..... Embarassed
    First of all, yes..........at the loft, there is just the clock and pad. There isn't an actual antenna.........scanning the bands is like scanning groceries at the grocery store.....you just pass the band over the pad and it scans it into the clock. I don't know what the "type" would be........
    The chip rings themselves are about $2.25 each. Pretty expensive when you start loosing a bunch of birds. That's where the companies make all their money. The clocks, once purchased and almost a one time deal....we've been using ours for 7 years now and haven't had any problems with it. But when you have buy the chip rings every year.......just think, 100 rings is $225.00........
    Most fanciers don't put the rings on until maybe two weeks before the races start. We can put the clocks in "training mode" and clock the birds in when we take them on a training toss. Some fanciers put the ring on the birds, and then when the race season is over, take them off. Once I put one on my birds, it stays on their entire racing life.
    I remember when I was volunteering for 911 Pigeon Alert, we had a bird reported.......contacted the owner and he wanted the finder to remove the chip ring from the birds leg and mail it to him and THEN turn the bird loose to come home..........I had a fit! Call Ellen and Terry and just raised hell.........needless to say, the finder of the bird was told to NOT take off the chip ring and we found the bird another home. The finder was upset too..........it was obvious that the owner cared about his $2 chip ring, but didn't give a crap about the bird. Evil or Very Mad

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    Post  Brad on Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:13 am

    Thanks for the added information Renee. Smile I'm still confused about the scanner thing though, because as far as I know at grocery stores, they use laser scanners. There is a glass panel and underneath that you can see the red laser there that reads the bar codes on items. On the pad, there doesn't seem to be any glass or part that holds a laser. Sorry, I'm just inquisitive and like to know how things work. Razz

    Too bad the chips in the chip bands can't be reprogrammed and reused. They could probably do this but maybe they don't because it wouldn't make the companies that produce them as much money. It always boils down to profits. Rolling Eyes

    That's very sad that a pigeon owner would care more about a $2 band than his bird...really shabby and disgusting.


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    Post  Ed on Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:25 am

    Brad wrote:Thanks for the added information Renee. Smile I'm still confused about the scanner thing though, because as far as I know at grocery stores, they use laser scanners. There is a glass panel and underneath that you can see the red laser there that reads the bar codes on items. On the pad, there doesn't seem to be any glass or part that holds a laser. Sorry, I'm just inquisitive and like to know how things work. Razz

    Too bad the chips in the chip bands can't be reprogrammed and reused. They could probably do this but maybe they don't because it wouldn't make the companies that produce them as much money. It always boils down to profits. Rolling Eyes

    That's very sad that a pigeon owner would care more about a $2 band than his bird...really shabby and disgusting.


    they can Brad
    thats why that one guy wanted the chipband back and not the bird
    also think of the chip bands and the the loft antennas like a keycard and using it to enter a locked door
    the kind of keycard that you wave in front of a small black panel and it unlocks the door
    most hospitals use them nowadays
    its the same concept
    do I make sense or did I just confuse you even more LOL


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    Post  Lovebirds on Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:27 am

    Brad wrote:Thanks for the added information Renee. Smile I'm still confused about the scanner thing though, because as far as I know at grocery stores, they use laser scanners. There is a glass panel and underneath that you can see the red laser there that reads the bar codes on items. On the pad, there doesn't seem to be any glass or part that holds a laser. Sorry, I'm just inquisitive and like to know how things work. Razz

    Too bad the chips in the chip bands can't be reprogrammed and reused. They could probably do this but maybe they don't because it wouldn't make the companies that produce them as much money. It always boils down to profits. Rolling Eyes

    That's very sad that a pigeon owner would care more about a $2 band than his bird...really shabby and disgusting.


    Well, maybe the grocery store scanner wasn't a good comparison. I can't explain HOW they work.........LOL...I just know they do. Read these two links and maybe YOU will understand it. LOL
    Now, there are some new laser pads out to go with these clocks, but we have the older pads.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigeon_racing

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RFID

    The chip rings can be reprogrammed and used over and over, except when the bird is lost of course and never comes home. If I have a race bird that I give to someone, I remove the chip ring before I give the bird away. I can put it on another bird. If one of my birds goes to someones loft that used e-clocks, they CAN keep the chip ring and use it. It's never happened to me, but I know people that have had lost birds return home days late, without it's chip ring. If that happens, someone DID take it off, because the rings are hard to get off. They certainly don't just "fall" off.

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    Post  Brad on Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:58 pm

    Lovebirds wrote: But when you have buy the chip rings every year.......just think, 100 rings is $225.00........


    Thanks Renee and Ed for clarifying for me and others that the chip bands are reusable. I guess I sort of misunderstood what Renee said in this above sentence. I thought she had to purchase new ones every year, but now I realize it's because of the new birds being bred. WinkRazz

    Ed, not sure on those type of key card scanners...don't believe I've seen any of those used in commercial applications myself.

    So Renee, it IS radio frequency technology that scans the bands....is that why you directed me to that one link?


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    Post  Ed on Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:51 pm


    its like this door Brad
    you would wave a card in front of the black box on the right of the door and it would unlock it


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    Post  Lovebirds on Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:54 pm

    [quote="Brad"]
    Lovebirds wrote:

    So Renee, it IS radio frequency technology that scans the bands....is that why you directed me to that one link?


    Yes,....I think so.............LOL

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